USB not stable, considering UDP, or better USB multihub

Hi, I am still having issues with connectivity on my setup.
Simple setup, F9P and auto section control kit.

I have a few symptoms, which I would like some reassurance on!

My tablet only has one USB port, so I am using a multi hub, not externally powered.

  • When I test my setup at home, I have only one issue, sometimes it won’t give me a location on the top left of AIO, usually a few restarts fixes this.
  • When I plug in the charger in my tractor it seems cause havoc.
  • If I run without the charger it works fine temporarily, then drops out, after a short time when I start working.
  • I have attached images of the errors

My thoughts are;

  • the charger (USB cigarette lighter type) is interfering with the USB ports
  • there is too much going on via one USB port, IE powering the F9P and nano, transferring data to and from F9P and nano.

What I think the solution for me is;

  • get an externally powered USB multihub (any suggestions)
  • go UDP, but I’m not familiar with this at all, and would like advice on how to swap to this. I assume a USB to ethernet port is a start, but after this I don’t know.

anyone else with similar issues? or have any advice for me.
Thank you in advance, see below images as discussed.
Steven




You have udp turned on by looks as its green. In that setting page you can send to serial or udp, check there perhaps.
Im hoping to use f9p and machine board via usb hub soon myself

I started with USB and then switched to UDP. Personally, I consider USB a bit of a time/money waster, and not worth the hassle of setting it up. UDP works every time.

Thanks for your reply. I will take a look there. Really considering the UDP route

Thanks for your input, I think I may have to go that way to save any future hassle, I’s like to expand to autosteer and rate control at some point, so maybe a USB isn’t ideal!

Have you any guides ok swapping to USB, can I use my original circuit boards etc?

Im guessing you’d need a ethernet shield to go on top of the nano then change your machine code from the usb option to to upd code. Not sure how you would add the f9p into this mix though

If you use a lighter plug in tractor, then it is probably not grounded at same spot as the rest of your stuff.

First step is to ground everything at same spot! Like power and gnd to charger from same place as section control.

Then a powered USB hub, or separate power to f9p (still from same place)

There is a topic regarding connecting F9P to ethernet.

F9P in ethernet mode - Operations/Getting Started / Getting Started - AgOpenGPS

Thanks for that! Gives me a great start to look for.

Keep us updated, ive been wondering weather i should change my machine module to udp just for a piece of mind of a better connection but if you need a usb to ethernet adapter maybe its still going to be a weak link.


The nano sits intop of the ethernet shield and the shield sits on top of the little break out board.
Not sure if the ethernet would power the nano and machine board though

similar thing happen

is it with chinese NANO? CH340

so try to investigate to drivers

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/usb-serial-ch340-chipset-not-working-after-windows/88b0ab19-9e1b-46bb-82d4-f806e34b2ed9

and if you can move to UDP as soon as possible

Ok, if I decide to stick with USB I might look into this. Not sure how to ground everything into the one, especially through USB!

Slowly learning more on UDP, but can’t just get my head around it yet!

Thanks

Can’t answer whither the UDP will power the nano or not, as my experience is very limited! I assume it will, as the draw is very little.

I wondered that too RE the usb adapter, will the usb still be the weak point?

Thank you for that, i can’t remember, i think it was a non genuine, so maybe a better driver is necessary. Though it does seem to work until too much is going on!

How big a relay board are you trying to power with the usb? I think 3 might be the limit but unsure. Im using a 16 relay board but using 12 but im powering that via a seperate supply so the usb is just sending the switching

Your charger gnd is also usb gnd on computer. So when you have another module at gnd to one point, electricity will travel through the gnd from the point with higher voltage to other gnd point with lower voltage.
On a tractor cabin cigarette lighter could be grounded to cabin which again has a gnd cable to tractor chassis. You will most likely be able to measure a small voltage difference between cabin and battery negative, especially when ventilation is set at high volume.
USB does not like voltage difference between gnd points.
And if the gnd cable from cabin to chassis is dry or corroded, you can have big difference.

4 relays only!

I wonder if a powered usb hub will cure my problem.

Maybe worth buying to test it!

Ok, so if i use a powered usb hub, and power it through the same place as my charger, this should cure my problem?

Update:

I have ordered this.

Powered usb hub. I will be plugging it into the same cigarette lighter as the charger. So I am hoping this cures my problem.

I will keep you all updated

Do you have a power supply for it, or did you order one also. It say it’s not included.