So a simple solution for tool guidance would be to be able to run 2 AOGs on the same PC
That would be great, but not sure it would be feasible as I watch the implement steering AOG screen mostly, but still need tractor AOG screen up also. If we compact 2 screens into one, would be pretty difficult to see much detail! Then add to this the @SK21 rate controller and now it wouldn’t work.
How about integrating 2 AOG boards into one with the software being able to process tractor guidance and implement guidance in one program, but run on split screens? At this point however, I have a separate AOG controller and dual antennas that i swap from tractor to tractor as I’m swapping the slider 3 point hitch anyway. Super simple and compact, the AB line is stored on the cloud with the fields, so it’s simple to pull up guidance in any tractor on any tablet.
@m_elias had worked on this couple years ago and helped me with my setup a bit. I think this should be revisited and utilized by hundreds of farmers!
Would have been nice to see more closely how the actual tool steer hardware works, how much is it moving.
Does the seeder work accurately enough, no need for tool steering there? I assume no tool steering on the seeder and based on your video, seems seeder did not wander much at all.
I’m uploading a better video while seeding that gets into a 7 degree hillside. The hardware is very easy to adapt as all your doing is putting dual antennas on your implement and setting steer settings for your 3 point hitch hydrualic valve and implement together.
The seeder is steered by the lateral sliding 3 point hitch and seeder has seed opener discs which keeps it in direction that it’s steered. The row crop cultivator is also shifted side to side without using the stabilizer discs out front. No steering at all on the implement, only where the implement attaches at the 3 point hitch. You can purchase or fabricate a single point draw bar hitch attachment for the 3 point slider hitch also! The seeder really doesn’t wander at all as it’s trailing so far back. Attached is picture of the Navigator slider hitch.
No issues with the antenna behind a plate like that? Must ruin the DOP a bit !
Yes, that was a problem. Only did that to get a picture with antennas placed somewhere! The dual antennas sit on the planter main frame 20 feet back with extension wires.
To integrate a position sensing solution on the slider hitch would be great. Right now it’s not using a position, rather it steers until the planter is on path then stops steering. There’s no fine tuning this way, but it gets there quickly.
Any possibility of writing code to accept a minimum and maximum resistance for anyone’s position sensor (WAS)?
Here’s the dual antenna implement guidance at work. As you will see, it came into a side hill and side shifted accordingly. Tractor should be set to compensate for the extra shift that was needed. The slider hitch has 20" total allowable travel. So here, it soaked up 10" and needed a bit more yet. The hill only gets steeper as you go up the side.
Right what I’ve been looking for more than a decade.
This was nearly 3 years ago.
Now even the repo is gone
Anybody any knowledge what happened to it?
Did it find into mainstream?
Anybody having a copy of it lingering around?
Or what else do you use?
There a complete new software here (I think):
Many features, including toolsteer. But it’s a develop version, expect no support from the community, I don’t think a lot of people use it.
thanks.
May be I’ll have a look into that when I’m more acquanited whith AOG
Not afraid from dev versions, as long as they don’t run on WIN$…
anyway
Think os is commodore 64. Those where the days…
Tool dual is working successfully in certain situations. AOG is a different animal, so if you come from Agopen to AOG, be prepared to copy and paste files and copy settings to AOG. Easiest way currently is to use 2 separate systems for tool steer. (My opinion) if your into coding, then tool dual AOG will be usable.
Is there a passive option (where tractor steers off to pull imp. on line)?
Yes, Agopen does that naturally with correct configuration measurements used. Only problem is it’s not sub centimeter accurate. On hillsides, tractor will drive over next row to keep implement on AB line. This is where tool steer shows its happy face!
Are you sure about that? As far as I know, there is no passive (receiver on implement) toolsteer option, but maybe something has changed that I don’t know about.
Your correct, the tractor places the implement where it “should be”, my bad.
I do have dual antenna on the implement with tool dual that we’re working on in development. I’d suggest using a second system and you will be thrilled at how accurate it really is anyway!
Are you sure agopen places the implement where it “should” be? Agopen does not compensate for curves or anything all it cares about is to keep tractor receiver on the line . Do drive a curve headland with 3 point implement and then with trailed implement and tractor drives exactly in tge same spot both times. This is where agopen fails currenty . Varioguide has been calculating a tgeoretical position for years and stears accordingly to where it thinjs the implement is coming along agopen does not . Agopen pulls the painted path based on wheel measurements but doesnt steer accordingly . The varioguide is frightningly accurate it can strip till a curved headland with 3 point and plant a pulled planter on that same strip and be right on without implement receiver side slopes it cant get right though without implement receiver .
So when will agopen have implement receiver and passive steering. Im sorry but guys here will not put up with steering hitches and clumsiness if passive can get it so close …
I hope to hear that its coming…
I believe that active tool steer works great for some situations, but in our area, we would need a lot more than the 20 inches of travel that a steerable hitch has. When you are using a pull type planter driving an a/b curve on a sidehill, I think passive steer is the only way to make it work. A lot of the commercial systems are coming out with passive steer now, and I really hope AOG does too, but I’m guessing that would require a lot more coding than the devs have time and energy for.
my current agopen setup steers the tractor so the implement is correct
(not tool steered)
I agree with you. We have 12 degree slope at worst and if it weren’t for the slide hitch, the tractor runs down the next row beside to offset implement to line. Have you adjusted side hill compensation which is designed to keep implement close to the line and run the tractor “up hill”? I’ve found in AOG, that the sidehill comp isn’t enough to get implement all the way to the line, but then 10" or less of slide hitch shift brings trailed planter to line. A steerable implement axle would be best case scenario if you have options.